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                                    1. I've been reading stuff on degrowth for the last couple of months (mostly to write @EcoSceptique) I started my reading with an open mind but the scientific weakness of what I read was stunning In a nutshell:
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                                    - no clear definition - no empirical evidence it can decrease CO2 emissions - no clear and empirically evaluated mechanisms to implement it - no clear view on its impact on public finance, public services and the supply of goods and services - no evaluation of its costs
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                                  The most shocking thing was to read relatively pro-degrowth papers from 10 years ago and more recent papers *all* complaining about the lack of advancement and clarity of the research program 10 years of research with basically zero advancement? What the hell?
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                                To summarize: we have no idea if degrowth can actually decrease CO2 emissions, even if it does we don't know at which cost per ton of CO2, we don't know how to implement it and we don't know the effects it would have on almost literally everything else in society
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                              I've also spotted major red flags in some proponents of degrowth: personal attacks, criticism of the critiques focusing on insignificant details, obvious lack of knowledge of some basic economics concept (no, the GDP does not solely measure things with a market value lol), etc.
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                            (To be fair, I've also spotted major red flags in some of the oppononents of degrowth. But few of these oppononents make a living out of criticising degrowth — which is not the case for many of the red flagged proponents I'm talking about above.)
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                          Degrowth is not uninteresting but based on what I've read, we currently have no idea if it's a public policy actually capable of mitigating global warming and climate change
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                        And even it was (efficient, implementable and so on), degrowth has currently virtually zero political support: the worldwide number of elected officials or candidates with a real shot of getting elected with a pro-degrowth agenda is close to zero
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                      It's not impossible to change people's minds and turn them into pro-degrowth folks, but it'll take decades — providing it's possible I'm not sure we can't afford to wait that long to implement a public policy we're not even sure it can actually mitigate climate change
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                    Of course, everything I wrote in this thread is based on my *current* understanding of the *current* literature If I missed things and/or if the literature evolves, my analysis will also evolve
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                  Also, to clarify: I'm *not* "anti-degrowth" The reason to that is simple: I don't see on which grounds I can oppose a remedy that in a sense only exist in a "theoretical" form
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                I should write a newsletter issue about this, it could be interesting! You can subscribe here if you're interested ⤵️ osc.ac/#/portal/
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              Another clarification: I intentionally read papers *in favor of* degrowth and not papers opposing degrowth And despite being exposed to rather pro-degrowth ideas this is what I concluded I think it’s quite telling
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            More issues with degrowth: @brianhollar/1507418469033451521?s=20&t=RnofgJ8AuXHJwAQxo3qGyw
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          And even more here (three tweets): @simardcasanova/1507419175861755904?s=20&t=RnofgJ8AuXHJwAQxo3qGyw
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        Update: the answers I’ve got from pro-degrowth folks are so far *perfectly aligned* with this All. Of. Them. @simardcasanova/1507343237148725251
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      Muting this My mentions are littered by degrowth folks using demeaning langage and way too many fallacies. The ship to have a constructive discussion has sailed. I do not care enough about degrowth to have to kind of hostility — but I do care about my mental health
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    Apparently even when you’re approaching degrowth with an open mind and a genuine curiosity it’s not enough Dully noted
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      Many of your are giving me a follow — I appreciate it! I just want to clarify that I mostly shitpost on economics, degrowth is really not a thing I’m interested it — and even less after the "debates" this thread lead to with pro-degrowth folks
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