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    1. …in reply to @Christine_Cai27
      @Christine_Cai27 "Of better quality", or I would say "more adapted to what is expected in those grandes écoles". And we know the grandes écoles (and the associated prépas) are skewed in favor of certains social groups: inegalites.fr/Des-classes-preparatoires-et-des-grandes-ecoles-toujours-aussi-fermees slate.fr/story/134963/pourquoi-eleves-reussissent-pas-ecole
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    @Christine_Cai27 The fact the contest to join a grande école is anonymous is probably not enough to assess that the students who are accepted in those GEs are actually "smarter", especially if you consider than only a small subset of all students go in prépas.
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      @Christine_Cai27 Maybe students in prépas (and GE) are quite homogeneous in terms of "quality", because the selection happened before (at the prépa stage).
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        @Christine_Cai27 There is roughly 2.5 millions students in France, and only 85.000 are in prépas: it's less than 5%! So on top of the already skewed distribution in prépas, I'm not sure that what happen in prépas and GE is actually representative. cache.media.enseignementsup-recherche.gouv.fr/file/2019/25/1/NI_2019_06_1110251.pdf
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          @Christine_Cai27 (Numbers for prépas: fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classe_préparatoire_aux_grandes_écoles)
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            @Christine_Cai27 So in other words, I'm not sure that what happens in prépas and GE is a measure of student's "quality", or a measure of their social background/their fitness with the expectations of those schools. Plus their likely homogeneity also make sure that whatever who you accept…
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              @Christine_Cai27 … you will almost "necessarily" end up with "smart" students.
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              1. …in reply to @simardcasanova
                @Christine_Cai27 Even though at the end, I think my main argument is mostly that in the very specific case of prépas, the differences in training quality can have an impact on the likelihood to actually succeed at the contest for good GEs. @simardcasanova/1125706693130752002
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                1. …in reply to @simardcasanova
                  @Christine_Cai27 But maybe there's something I miss with your arguments? I should have started by trying to rephrase what you said just to be sure I understood it!
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